Part 1 -- In the comment section to this post (first name, last initial, class period) please do the following:
- A. give one specific example of the United States "getting its money's worth" out of the United Nations since 1945
- B. give one specific example of the United States NOT "getting its money's worth" out of the United Nations since 1945
- C. give your opinion overall about whether the USA has gotten its money's worth from the UN since 1945 AND explain why (in an appropriate manner) the person who posted immediately before you was either correct or incorrect in his/her assessment
Part 2 --
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39 comments:
1. The United States got it's money's worth out of the United Nations when they acted on the Korean dispute. They ended the violence and averted a hostile takeover.
2. The United States did not get it's money's worth out of the UN when they decided to keep troops stationed in Korea for the past 60 years. If people in the government honestly believe that spending large sums on keeping our Korean presence known, then it's not hard to understand why the deficit is so large.
3. My opinion overall is that the UN is a waste of money. I believe that devoting our efforts to a peacekeeping organization that really only helps other countries is ludicrous and a complete waste.
Marcus T. 2nd period
1.) In the Gulf War, the United States led the UN in to drive the Iraqi troops out of Kuwait. The war lasted hardly over a month so the US got their moneys worth in that conflict.
2.)In UNOSOM I and II, UN troops were sent to Somalia to break up a civil war and they failed twice. Since the USA pays for a large percentage of UN action, they did not get their moneys worth.
3.)Overall, the USA has not gotten their moneys worth from the UN. They pay for a large percentage of the funds the UN receives and the UN, in my opinion, has not accomplished much in contrast to all that they have failed to do.
Marcus T 3rd period ^^ I messed up the period, whoops.
Nick Huff period 3 2/6/13
1.They have stopped many different wars from happening such as the Cold war.
2. The veto power with the 5 head country's aloud Communism to spread around the world.
3. I think it hasn't mad its money back because when Russia was communist they vetoed every thing the US voted for and now the that Russia is no longer Communist, China now veto's every thing.
Connor Dorion
1. With Korea, the US got it's money's worth, when ending the violence over there.
2. In UNAMIR, the UN tried peacekeeping in RWANDA, but it was a total failure.
3. The USA overall seems like they are not getting their money's worth, it seems to be more failures then success.
Matt A. Period 3
A) When the US started fighting in the Korean War, the UN came into the conflict to help the US and they provided much needed help. Eventually we won the war and stopped the North Koreans from taking over South Korea.
B) When the UN would not help the US out when we invaded Iraq to capture Al-Queda. Now the war has gone on for much longer than it should have and I think that if the UN was involved then things could have gotten done much faster.
C) I think that they have gotten their money's worth from the UN because the US and the UN have stopped multiple genocides, and wars and created amnesty agreements between countries on multiple occasions.
Mitch Z 3
1. The Gulf War was a perfect example because the US took out a dictator and we didn't lose that many people.
2. The Korean War because we did not need to get involved and really did not accomplish all that much.
3. I believe that the US is wasting money with the UN because it is more a formality than actually an organization. The UN fails at a lot of peacekeeping and peacemaking missions so the UN is not accomplishing their tasks. Also the US should stay out of most foreign affairs because it just causes trouble. I believe that the person above me is correct because we have not made our money back yet.
Matt H. p.3
a. The US really got it's moneys worth with the war in Korea.
b. There was no aid from the UN with the attack the US lead on Libya's shores. We took all the "credit".
c. Yes because of its veto power and its good to have a security blanket in case we get attacked. I think the person above me is wrong for the reasons i have listed
A. The US got its money's worth during the Egyptian nationalization of the Suez peninsula (for a while). They created a buffer between Israel and Egypt and a ceasefire was reached (until the Israelites attacked agian.)
B. The US did not get its money's worth during the UNAMIR campaign in Rwanda. The mission was overall a failure because it did not prevent genocide or a refugee crisis.
C. I think the US is not getting its money's worth out of the UN because most of the UN missions end in failure. This results from many factors such as their limited rules of engagement and weak army.
Hank P 8th Hour
1. The United States was provided with much help during the Korean conflict. They helped us and many other nations stop the spread of communism into Asian countries. To this day, the UN assists in the security of the Joint Security Area along the DMZ.
2. A time the U.S. did not get its money worth was in Vietnam. We could have used all the help we could get but the veto system denied any assistance.
3. Overall, I believe the United States does not get its moneys worth out the of the UN. For contributing such a substantial portion of the budget, I don't feel as though we get the support that we deserve.
I don't agree with Matt (above). The veto system provides too much power to the select few and consequently, hinders UN action rather than actually helping.
1. The United States got its money's worth out of the Nicaragua v. United States trial. The United States was rightfully found guilty, but used the veto-power it obtained to block the payments they owed Nicaragua.
2. The United States didn't get its money's worth out of the recent sanctions placed on North Korea after they threatened to launch a nuclear strike against the US. The UN has not had enough power to talk North Korea out of belligerent action. Therefore, even with the heavy contributions the US has given the UN, the UN has failed (so far) to calm tensions between the two.
3. I believe that the UN has been very, very kind to the US. Because of their veto power, the US can force its will on other nations who aren't fortunate enough to have veto power. Also, any action against the US will be instantly nullified. While I believe the UN is a great idea and is definitely not a waste of money, I believe that the US has too much power there. So, I somewhat agree with the person who wrote before me.
Tyler O 8th period
1)In the Gulf War, the US was able to carry out the goals of the UN, and we were able to end the war there very quickly.
2)The Iraq War has been going on for over 8 years, and despite aid from UN nations, we are still at war. Even worse, we're fighting terrorism, which is an idea. We've been shooting in the dark for this long, and we've only hit half the targets.
3)I think the USA has not gotten much out of the UN. It doesn't better our nation, and there is evidence that it doesn't always help the other nations either. We're a country in debt but on offense when we could be providing for citizens and defending our country on home soil.
A. The United States got its money’s worth in the Suez Canal affair in 1956, because the crisis was averted when the fighting stopped. The UN’s successful backing of a small country against several worldwide powers also showed that it had influence and authority, increasing its prestige.
B. The United States definitely did not get its money’s worth from the UN during the 1956 revolution in Hungary when the USSR stopped UN action by veto and ignored the General Assembly’s request that they withdraw. The fact that the UN was unable to take action other than reprimand the USSR showed that it only had influence over powerful nations that were willing to comply with their wishes.
C. Overall, I feel that the United States has gotten its money’s worth out of the UN. Although it has not really accomplished many groundbreaking achievements or succeeded in every aspect, I still feel that it has been a success. It has helped many people throughout the world and costs hardly anything for the US when compared to the rest of their budget. For this reason I disagree with Tyler because I do think it is worth it.
1. Between 1988 and 1991, the UN was able to pull Soviet troops out of Afghanistan and negotiate a ceasefire between Iraq and Iran (coinciding with Operation Desert Storm). During those three years, the US got its money's worth.
2. UNAMIR was a complete failure, and Rwanda experienced further genocide and mass exodus following UN intervention. The US did not get their money's worth during that operation.
3. Overall, the UN is an ineffective waste of money from the US perspective. We should scale down our contributions and demand more from other countries.
P.S. Dan S ^ has a valid point, but the UN simply did not accomplish enough to merit relatively large monetary contributions.
Marcus D'Andrea, Period 8.
1. I would say the US got its money's worth out of the UN is situations like Korea and Iraq in the early nineties. In Korea, we prevented the spread of communism which was an important goal of ours at the time. In Iraq, we pushed back Hussein's invasion of Kuwait which I would say are huge accomplishments.
2. A situation that proves the UN is a waste, I would say would be the genocide in Rwanda. While the US and other countries were renouncing the conflict, the UN really failed to come through and successfully stop the killings.
3. Overall, I would say the UN has good intentions but I would argue that there needs to be cuts and improvements in the system. For example, veto power needs to be decreased so more action can come about. The UN hasn't helped much so far but I feel we could change that/
Alex B 8th period
1.)The US got its money's worth during the Korean War when the UN provided military assistance and helped shorten the conflict.
2.)UNAMIR was a waste of the United State's money. The operation used up money but did not really help the people of Rwanda due to complications with the Rules of Engagement.
3.)Simply having access to such an international forum is enough of a payoff to validate our money spent. Communication is essential in preventing conflict and the UN is one of the major facilitators of international communication. However, as Marcus D said, the system could use improvements to make our money go farther.
Anthony A 8th Period
1.) During the Suez Canal Affair. Here, the UN was able to act as a Peacemaker making all sides had to succom to an unconditonal ceasefire and stop fighting.
2.) During the Hungary Revolution. Here the UN was unbable to prevent much of anything. The Hungarian rebels were crushed by the Soviets and the UN was rendered almost useless due to the Soviets veto power.
3.) Overall, i feel the USA has not gotten their money's worth out of the UN. They put an extremely large sum of money into the UN, compared to other countries, and the outcomes are not always positive. Some of the interventions are not successful whatsoever. The UN seems to not have as much power as it should have in order to get things done and satisfy its members. As I do agree with Bussan as the UN needs improvement in some areas if the USA or any other member nation is going to get their moneys worth.
Ryan L. 8th
1. As some other people said, I think the US got its money's worth out of stuff like the Korean War, stopping the spread of communism, and the Gulf War, liberating Kuwait.
2. The failed Hungarian revolution is a good example of the US not getting its money's worth. The Soviets prevented the UN from doing anything, which got in the way of the US's anti-communist agenda.
3. I feel like the UN is valuable to the US, but I'm not sure the US has gotten its full money's worth out of it. The US puts in a significant amount of cash, but I feel like a lot of what happens with the UN doesn't affects us much. I agree with Anthony A. that the UN doesn't have the power it needs to get things done.
Chris R. 8
A) I think the U.S. got it's money's worth out of the Cold War. The Veto Power between the countries successfully held an unintentional ceasefire until eventually there were no more threats.
B) As many have mentioned already, I agree that UNAMIR, a failure, was a simple waste of the U.S.'s funds for the government to still be overthrown by the RPF.
C) I am in agreement with Llama (Ryan) that I think we put too much money in to pay for mostly irrelevant conflicts to the US. As odd as this sounds Jordan's imperialistic rant in class proved a point that at this point in time, the U.S. is a nuclear super power, and the UN would not be able to stop a tihrd world war, because no matter what a global nuclear war would either end in domination by the U.S. or the destruction of all, and seeing as we really only depend upon the UN to prevent our conflicts, it is a mostly irrelevant organization to us, because we maintain strong non-nuclear military forces as well to continue fighting our own conflicts.
1. The US was able to save money when the UN helped evade a potential African war in Darfur, a war into which the US did not want to be dragged.
2. The US was not awarded for its many contributions to the UN with the acceptance of the People's Republic of China in 1971, a new communist government which the US had vehemently opposed.
3. Overall, I will choose to disagree with Chris R's opinion, as, even though the US may spend ~10 billion a year, in relation to its 2 trillion dollar budget, the amount is minuscule, and, if, by chance, this money helps prevent, for once, a trillion $ a year war, the contributions will be all worth it. It is all in the name of precaution, something everyone needs to have.
Nick D. 3rd
1. U.S.A. got their moneys worth from the UN when they ended the dispute in Korea.
2. When the UN didn't provide assistance in the latest Iraqi war, the U.S. of A. didn't get their moneys worth.
3. I think that the UN was definitely a good use of money because it was made with a good cause of promoting peace and democracy, and even if it doesn't get anything done, its still nice to know that someone out there is trying and cares about it.
1. The United States got its money worth during the Suez Canal Crisis. The United Nations helped to avoid a multi-country conflict in 1956.
2. The United States has not gotten its money worth from the United Nations in the ongoing Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The United Nations has spent countless dollars and have enacted many resolutions concerning the conflict and yet has not been able to diffuse the tension in the area or come to a conclusion regarding their differences.
3. I believe that the United States has not gotten its money worth from the United Nations since its inception. The United States specifically has hardly been directly affected by the acts taken by the United Nations. It isn’t, however, that the United Nations isn’t important. The work that the United Nations does is incredibly important for other countries and groups of people, but with the U.S. providing more than a fifth of the UN’s budget it is inaccurate to say that the U.S. is getting its money worth. We aren’t receiving back a fifth of the UN’s effort in international affairs that involve us. I believe that Nick ^^ is answering a more broad question about the UN’s importance. But, realistically we aren’t getting our money’s worth.
Carter B. 3rd period
1. The US got their money's worth when the UN was in Korea during the Korean War. They got their money's worth because they stopped the spread of communism into the south.
2. A time where the US did not get their money's worth was in Somalia. The UN was sent in twice and they failed both times.
3. I think the US has not gotten its money's worht in the long run. It pays to much of the budget for the little it gets out.
I agree with what Katelin says. Most of the times the UN has intervened it was a good choice but its not worth it to the US when they pay so much of the budget.
1. I think that the United States got their money’s worth out of the Gulf War in the Middle East. It did not cost us very much money, we had very few causalities, and were successfully able to end the conflict between Iraq and Kuwait in a short period of time.
2. The U.S. did not get their money’s worth out of the UNAMIR mission in Rwanda in the 1990’s. It was a failure and waste of money because the UN was unable to prevent conflict that ensued after the Rwandan genocide.
3. I feel that the United States has not gotten their money’s worth from the United Nations. At times the UN has lacked enough power to enact their peacekeeping agenda, and when they have, few have had a substantial impact on the U.S. I agree with Carter that the U.S. pays a large percentage of the UN’s total budget and many of the interventions by the UN have no effect on the United States.
1. The US definitely got it's money's worth during the conflict in Korea. The UN put an end to the violence, andthe spread of communism to other asian counties was slowed down.
2. The situation in Rwanda was absolutely terrible. The UN mission was a complete failure.
3. I agree with Zach. The US pays for 27% of the UN's budget. They do not directly feel the effects of what they out into it.
Mathias S. Period 3
1. The U.S. got its money's worth out of the UN during the Korean war. We were able to prevent a communist take over of South Korea.
2. A time in which the UN was not worth the money of the U.S. was UNPROFOR, because they were unable to stop the Yugoslav wars.
3. I believe that the U.S. does pay too much, but being able to stop one conflict makes the UN worth the money. I do agree with Zach that the UN lacks the power to be effective most of the time, It can still stop a conflict here and there.
Alex H, Period 3
Success: Korean War- A communist takeover of South Korea was averted.
Failure: MONUSCO/MONUC- After repeatedly failing to protect civilians, and having their own "forces" hiding when shot at, nothing has been accomplished.
Opinion: No, the US has not been getting its money's worth out of the UN, and like Mathias and most people above me, I agree that it is just a complete waste of time and resources.
1) We got our money's worth in the Gulf War. The UN gave us the okay to lead a massive invasion into Iraq, with 500,000 US troops and over 200,000 international troops. The war was over quickly resulting in a major victory for the US/ coalition.
2) We did not get our money's worth with the conflict in Rwanda. The UN did not act fast enough or do much to prevent the genocide that killed up to a million innocent people in 10 days.
3)Overall, I agree that the US does not get it's money's worth out of the UN. The UN continually fails to accomplish their missions, and much of the aid ends up in the wrong hands. I agree with Alex, we are wasting our time and resources with the UN.
Marcus T. 3rd period
I agree with Dave E. because the UN does not do a lot that benefits the USA and we pay for 27% of their budget.
1. The United States got it's money worth out of the United Nations when they ended the violence in Korea.
2. The United States did not get it's money worth out of the United Nations during the Vietnam War because of the veto power.
3. I don't think that the US gets it's moneys worth out of the UN because the UN generally doesn't accomplish their goals/missions which is why they are there. I agree with Michael that we are wasting both our time and resources which could be better spent in other areas that would benefit us.
Kendall Lake 8th Period
A. The US got it's money worth out of the UN during the conflict with Korea. The conflict was stopped, and the spread of communism into other Asian countries.
B. The US did not get it's money out of the UN during the multiple conflicts during the Cold War. This was because of the veto power.
C. I think in the past the US has not gotten it's money worth out of the UN, but we could in the future. Although money that goes into the UN for peacekeeping does not directly affect the US, it affects us in some way or another. I disagree with Katherine, I do not think the UN is a complete waste of money.
Andrew I Period 8
1. The United States got their moneys worth when they ended the dispute in Korea.
2. The US didn't get it's moneys worth in both UNOSOM interventions. THe UN failed to break up the civil war twice.
3. I believe the UN is a waste of money for the Us because we give the UN a lot of money to help other countries and it ends in failure a majority of the time.
Connor B 3rd
1. Korea is the only somewhat good thing the UN has helped us with it seems.
2. UNOSOM, we paid quite a bit of $ twice, with no positive result.
3. I don't believe we have, but other countries probably haven't either, I completely agree with Andrew that it's a waste of money for a low success rate.
1. The US and the world for that matter have benefited greatly and got its
moneys worth from the UN's involvement in the Suez Crisis because it prevented a
potential WW3.
2. The US did not get its money's worth in the Vietnam War because the result
was not ideal and in essence nothing happened save the loss of many US and
Vietnamese fighters and civilians.
3. Obviously the US did not get its moneys worth in the long haul because it
wasn't the US making the decisions! If all that money was spent by the US alone
it would have been well spent at least in the US's perspective. However, I
disagree with Andrew and do not think the UN is a waste because it is a
collaboration of countries and we shouldn't judge the UN's success based on
whether the US's goals are met.
The united states got its money worth after hurricane Katrina. The UN gave a lot of money to help our victims.
The united states did not get its money worth when the UN did not support the united states attempt to located weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
The UN i believe is waste of money for all countries although the idea is good it doesnt do much.
Sam F. 2nd Period
1) An event where the UN was beneficial to the US was the US-led, UN backed invasion of Kuwait during the Gulf War. The UN provided the US with a coalition of forces to push Saddam Hussein's troopps out of Kuwait and prevent further conflict from occuring.
2) A time when the UN has not been beneficial to the US was on their ruling involving US intervention in Nicaragua. The UN ruled that the US would not be able to assist the Contra's during the Nicaraguan Revolution.
3) I personally think the US is not getting back what they pay into the UN. Being the largest contributor to the UN budget, we see very little of that budget come back to help us in some of the problems that we have experienced over the past fifty or so years of the UN's existence.
1. The US got its money's worth during the Korean war because it prevented a communist take over of South Korea.
2. The US did not get its money's worth during UNAMIR, as we learned in class that the mission in Rwanda was a complete failure.
3. Overall, the US has gotten its money's worth basically because what we contribute is pocket change compared to the entire budget and any success is money well spent.
Sam F. is correct in his point of view as we have not received UN aid during our internal problems. However, I want to say that we are able to manage our own internal affairs which is why the UN has never voted for aiding the US as opposed to third world countries.
Jordan W, P. 8
A) The USA got its money worth during the cold war because if the USSR wanted to make a UN action the USA could veto it immediately and stop it.
B) The USA didn’t get its money worth from the UN in the Hungary situation because the USSR was spreading its iron curtain and the USA could not do much in the UN because the USSR would veto any action.
C) Overall I do not think that the USA has gotten its money worth from the UN because it pays for over a quarter of its operating cost and we share the same power as the rest of the permanent members. I think the person who posted before me is wrong because the cost of the UN is not just pocket change anything helps in our goal to reduce the deficit and the UN cost is not helping
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